[EdLUG] Meeting Roundup

Tue Nov 27 20:46:33 UTC 2018

Tai
You mean tomorrow +1, Nov 29th ?
Andrew Smith B.Sc(Hons), MBA
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Inverkeithing
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 20:32, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:

> Hello
>
> I didn't get any response via the list ; I'm Bcc'ing Jan directly
>
> I'm assuming we're on for tomorrow evening 7pm at Southsider unless I am
> told otherwise
>
>
> ===
> Tai Kedzierski
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> On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 00:14, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Sorry I mis-read that as Monday to Wednesday.
>>
>> How about sticking to the Southsider then on Wednesday. Hopefully no
>> events that night.
>>
>> The earliest I could do is 7pm as I drive back from work in Fife and
>> would want to change transport i Edinburgh rather than drive/park around
>> that area...
>>
>>
>> ===
>> Tai Kedzierski
>> Linux Operations and Deployments Engineer
>>
>> RHCSA # 170-060-834
>> <https://www.redhat.com/rhtapps/services/verify?certId=170-060-834>
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>> I use LibreOffice <https://www.libreoffice.org/> , a free,
>> Freedom-respecting replacement for MS Office
>>
>> *Open Source Free Software is a matter of liberty, not price.*
>> https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software
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>>
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 22:40, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m not available on the 27th  (I’m not available on Tuesdays)  28th
>>> will be okay but will have to be earlier as I have something from 8:30pm.
>>> Can you find a venue that doesn’t have too many steps as my joints are
>>> playing up – it’s the joint troubles that have me going back and forth to
>>> the hospital atm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From: *Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>>> *Sent: *21 November 2018 22:18
>>> *To: *Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks - can I suggest either Tuesday 27th or Wednesday 28th of
>>> November, 7:30pm at Spoon, Nicolson Street ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Shehraz, you said you'd want to be present, would either of these dates
>>> work for you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ===
>>> Tai Kedzierski
>>>
>>> Linux Operations and Deployments Engineer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> RHCSA # 170-060-834
>>> <https://www.redhat.com/rhtapps/services/verify?certId=170-060-834>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> I use LibreOffice <https://www.libreoffice.org/> , a free,
>>> Freedom-respecting replacement for MS Office
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>>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 19:10, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can be pretty much available any Monday or Wednesday evening apart
>>> from 26th November when I’ve already got a commitment in Glasgow.  I
>>> can also manage most Saturday afternoons (from 2pm onwards).  There are a
>>> few other evenings when I’m available.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
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>>>
>>> *From: *Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>>> *Sent: *19 November 2018 19:39
>>> *To: *Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok extra meeting it is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Could you suggest a couple different dates please?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> // Sent from a mobile device. Rogue typos may lurk.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2018, 18:39 Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> I won't be around at the December meeting so it will have to be a
>>> separate meeting.  As telegram is encrypted end to end I could have used
>>> that transfer passwords but if you don't use it no worries well have to set
>>> up a meet up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>
>>> From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>>>
>>> Date: 19/11/2018 11:14 am (GMT+00:00)
>>>
>>> To: Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Jan for the overview. I agree it is probably high time to get you
>>> off this hook. Rest assured your efforts have very much been valued !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you happy to attend/wait for the December meetup, or would you like
>>> to set up a separate meeting ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't have telegram, and not really wanting to add yet another
>>> messaging system to a growing list of them...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've had preference in the past for off-listing for site control stuff,
>>> but maybe that's in part where I've been going wrong? Since I believe this
>>> is a call to receive handover, can we keep the meeting plans open for the
>>> time being?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @all So far, the mailing poll suggests moving to a hosted service ; if
>>> that trend remains, it is what we'll discuss moving towards come meeting
>>> time.
>>>
>>> https://doodle.com/poll/x34t7kyxbst93sw2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 10:05, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info, I think my message was caught in the mod queue so
>>> I've since voted on the previous link etc but it sounds like others are in
>>> the same frame of mind.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> > On 19 November 2018 at 01:04 Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I can answer most of this.  Whilst I was more active with the group I
>>> spent 2 years tracking down where the old website was hosted.  As the
>>> domain renewals approached there was a meeting were we agreed that we would
>>> transfer the hosting to Gladserv. Paul and I spend a couple of weeks
>>> getting a basic site up and running and then asked for volunteers to help.
>>> A few people asked for logins and these were given – Tai should still have
>>> a login – beyond a few edits I don’t think any of the people did much
>>> (apart from Mark C, but I’ll come to him later).  As we were doing the
>>> transfer we noticed that the mail archive on the old site wasn’t updating.
>>> This was because the University had transferred their mailing list system
>>> from majordomo to sympa and the new list archives were only accessible to
>>> people with a University login.
>>> >
>>> > There was a discussion about this at a meeting and  decision was made
>>> to transfer the list to the lug.org.uk mailman servers.  Once the new
>>> list was created I liaised with Ian who had been looked after the list
>>> whilst he worked at the University to get a list of the subscriber emails.
>>> I emailed the list to let everyone know that I was about to transfer
>>> addresses and got the list transferred over a weekend.  Once that was done
>>> I asked for volunteers to take over running the list and a couple of people
>>> get in touch and were given the login details.  However, over the next six
>>> months or so I didn’t notice them doing anything as I was the one who had
>>> to keep going in an passing messages that were caught for moderation.
>>> >
>>> > At this point we looked at how we were going to integrate the mailman
>>> archive.  And I think it was about here that Mark C got involved.  Mark
>>> spent a lot of time looking a the script on the old server to see how the
>>> archive was created.  He also went through the sympa archive and manually
>>> transferred each individual message into the same html format as the
>>> existing archive.  But this is where we hit another problem.  Mailman
>>> doesn’t seem to munge email addresses properly and we started to get
>>> replies where email addresses were spoofed, so we flipped the settings but
>>> this means that we can’t reply to individuals from the list unless they
>>> give their email.
>>> >
>>> > Whilst this was all going on, behind the scenes Paul’s mother was
>>> seriously ill, so he was stepping back his involvement, and when she died
>>> we both had to take a break.  On the return from dealing with the family I
>>> wanted to return to just my original role of meeting organiser,  however
>>> within a couple of weeks it was clear that everything was being passed to
>>> me to deal with so I stepped away from Edlug almost completely – I was sick
>>> of being used and at the same time having people bitching about things not
>>> being done this way or that.
>>> >
>>> > The domains are managed through Paul’s Hexonet account. We had a whip
>>> around in the pub to get the money for this and from memory I think we
>>> renewed for 10 years, so there is a while until that needs looking at.  The
>>> hosting is donated to us from Gladserv and whilst it is currently
>>> piggy-backing on their admin servers, we now have the option of setting up
>>> a VM.  Paul was looking after the maintenance of the CMS but his work and
>>> other commitments have taken over and he doesn’t have time anymore.  Again
>>> we asked for someone to take this over, got a volunteer but nothing seems
>>> to have been done.
>>> >
>>> > The drupal site is currently quite basic, but the template we chose
>>> has inbuilt modules to support members blogs, a forum, and a number of
>>> other things that weren’t activated.  As none of the people who volunteered
>>> to help seem to be actually doing anything, I don’t know that any
>>> maintenance has been done for a while.
>>> >
>>> > I’m hoping that with this current thread I can finally pass this off.
>>> >
>>> > (btw I haven’t named names so as not to publicly shame the people who
>>> should have been following up on their promised to help).
>>> >
>>> > Jan
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> >
>>> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group
>>> > Sent: 18 November 2018 22:32
>>> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
>>> > Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>>> >
>>> > Maybe we can start a new thread specific to the website and take the
>>> burden off any members, especially if they’re pushed for time. I’m willing
>>> to help.
>>> >
>>> > It’s maybe worthwhile also stating what we actually want from the
>>> site, it may be possible to bin it off and forward to social media
>>> account(s) with the appropriate info.
>>> >
>>> > I’m not suggesting this is the solution, merely maybe we can all throw
>>> ideas in a hat once the requirements are collated. I don’t know who’s stuck
>>> with what at the moment.
>>> >
>>> > Hosting: Who’s paying for this and who administers it?
>>> > DNS: Who’s paying for this and who administers it?
>>> >
>>> > Drupal CMS: who’s updating it? Do we have separate editors updating
>>> the blog? Do we even want a blog?
>>> >
>>> > Is there anything the site’s used for beyond a calendar and a link to
>>> the mailing list signup (
>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/edlug)?
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Andy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 14 Nov 2018, at 15:37, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > And this is what I’ve been facing from the group.  Nobody what’s to
>>> take responsibility.
>>> >
>>> > Jan
>>> >
>>> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> >
>>> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group
>>> > Sent: 14 November 2018 15:32
>>> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
>>> > Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>>> >
>>> > Hi Jan,
>>> >
>>> > That sounds like a bit more responsibility than I was going for - I'm
>>> totally new here, so I don't really want to be running the website at this
>>> point. I was just hoping someone could make me a Drupal username so that I
>>> can update the front page.
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes,
>>> > Thomas
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Edinburgh Linux Users Group wrote:
>>> > Hi Thomas
>>> >
>>> > I’m happy to meet up with you to pass all the details on to you
>>> (obviously I’m not going to post passwords in an unsecured forum).  Paul
>>> was doing the tech side on the server so he’ll probably need to be there to
>>> let you know what he’s done on that side.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > Jan
>>> >
>>> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> >
>>> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group
>>> > Sent: 14 November 2018 09:57
>>> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
>>> > Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>>> >
>>> > Hi Jan,
>>> >
>>> > There was some talk at the meeting about pointing the URL to a discord
>>> forum, but I'm not sure if it was a final decision or when that would be
>>> ready.
>>> >
>>> > In the meantime, if it's OK with everyone, I'd be happy to have a
>>> login to the current site, and I can try to update the front page with
>>> details of upcoming meetings.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Thomas
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Edinburgh Linux Users Group wrote:
>>> > Who is taking over the website?
>>> >
>>> > No one has ever been in touch with me about taking over anything to do
>>> with the domain, etc.
>>> >
>>> > I note there was discussion about making the site more interactive
>>> however there have been no requests for member logins and the drupal
>>> template we picked had the option for drupal.
>>> >
>>> > We still have hosting so if there is someone who is taking it over
>>> please get in touch (rathgild at gmail dot com) so I can pass on the
>>> details.
>>> >
>>> > Jan
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original message --------
>>> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>>> > Date: 07/11/2018 12:37 pm (GMT+00:00)
>>> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
>>> > Subject: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>>> >
>>> > Hi EdLUG
>>> >
>>> > Thanks to everyone who attended the additional meetup yesterday.
>>> Though it was at a different venue the turnout was good and we had an
>>> informative discussion.
>>> >
>>> > Though December is traditionally when the Christmas meal is held, it
>>> was decided that we will meetup for drinks instead. Thus, the next EdLUG
>>> meetup will take place on Thursday 6th December at 7.30pm. However, the
>>> venue will change to the Alexander Graham Bell for this meetup. Future
>>> meetup venues will be confirmed in due course.
>>> >
>>> > In terms of plans for 2019, EdLUG will continue to meet on a monthly
>>> basis. However, we felt that a transition period may be needed as we
>>> continue to search for a new venue. As such, one possibility is to
>>> alternate the nature of the meetups. I am looking into perhaps securing a
>>> room at the Edinburgh University central campus. However, this room may
>>> only be available every two months. As such we could alternate EdLUG
>>> meetups by having a talk one month and an informal meetup the following
>>> month, etc.
>>> >
>>> > Other topics discussed included widening the scope of EdLUG to include
>>> all open source software and technology. This would allow us to use Linux
>>> as the basis for discussion, but not be limited to solely to this topic.
>>> Should this occur, a name change for the meetup would need to be
>>> considered. Also, changing the format of the website to simplify its
>>> operation was mentioned. Kris suggested using Discord which would allow for
>>> more people to participate online.
>>> >
>>> > Feedback is welcome from everyone, please feel free to reply to this
>>> message with any thoughts or suggestions.
>>> >
>>> > Hopefully see you all in December :)
>>> >
>>> > Best Wishes
>>> >
>>> > Shehraz
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