[EdLUG] Meeting Roundup

Tue Nov 27 20:32:21 UTC 2018

Hello

I didn't get any response via the list ; I'm Bcc'ing Jan directly

I'm assuming we're on for tomorrow evening 7pm at Southsider unless I am
told otherwise

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On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 00:14, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:

> Sorry I mis-read that as Monday to Wednesday.
>
> How about sticking to the Southsider then on Wednesday. Hopefully no
> events that night.
>
> The earliest I could do is 7pm as I drive back from work in Fife and would
> want to change transport i Edinburgh rather than drive/park around that
> area...
>
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> Tai Kedzierski
> Linux Operations and Deployments Engineer
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> I use LibreOffice <https://www.libreoffice.org/> , a free,
> Freedom-respecting replacement for MS Office
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> *Open Source Free Software is a matter of liberty, not price.*
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> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 22:40, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> I’m not available on the 27th  (I’m not available on Tuesdays)  28th
>> will be okay but will have to be earlier as I have something from 8:30pm.
>> Can you find a venue that doesn’t have too many steps as my joints are
>> playing up – it’s the joint troubles that have me going back and forth to
>> the hospital atm.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jan
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>> *From: *Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>> *Sent: *21 November 2018 22:18
>> *To: *Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>> *Subject: *Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jan
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks - can I suggest either Tuesday 27th or Wednesday 28th of November,
>> 7:30pm at Spoon, Nicolson Street ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Shehraz, you said you'd want to be present, would either of these dates
>> work for you?
>>
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>> ===
>> Tai Kedzierski
>>
>> Linux Operations and Deployments Engineer
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>> RHCSA # 170-060-834
>> <https://www.redhat.com/rhtapps/services/verify?certId=170-060-834>
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>>
>> I use LibreOffice <https://www.libreoffice.org/> , a free,
>> Freedom-respecting replacement for MS Office
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>> *Open Source Free Software is a matter of liberty, not price.*
>> https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software
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>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 19:10, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I can be pretty much available any Monday or Wednesday evening apart from
>> 26th November when I’ve already got a commitment in Glasgow.  I can also
>> manage most Saturday afternoons (from 2pm onwards).  There are a few other
>> evenings when I’m available.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jan
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>> *From: *Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>> *Sent: *19 November 2018 19:39
>> *To: *Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>> *Subject: *Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>>
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>>
>> Ok extra meeting it is.
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>>
>> Could you suggest a couple different dates please?
>>
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>> // Sent from a mobile device. Rogue typos may lurk.
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>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2018, 18:39 Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk wrote:
>>
>> I won't be around at the December meeting so it will have to be a
>> separate meeting.  As telegram is encrypted end to end I could have used
>> that transfer passwords but if you don't use it no worries well have to set
>> up a meet up.
>>
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>>
>> J
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>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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>> -------- Original message --------
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>> From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>>
>> Date: 19/11/2018 11:14 am (GMT+00:00)
>>
>> To: Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Jan for the overview. I agree it is probably high time to get you
>> off this hook. Rest assured your efforts have very much been valued !
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you happy to attend/wait for the December meetup, or would you like
>> to set up a separate meeting ?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't have telegram, and not really wanting to add yet another
>> messaging system to a growing list of them...
>>
>>
>>
>> I've had preference in the past for off-listing for site control stuff,
>> but maybe that's in part where I've been going wrong? Since I believe this
>> is a call to receive handover, can we keep the meeting plans open for the
>> time being?
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> @all So far, the mailing poll suggests moving to a hosted service ; if
>> that trend remains, it is what we'll discuss moving towards come meeting
>> time.
>>
>> https://doodle.com/poll/x34t7kyxbst93sw2
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>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 10:05, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the info, I think my message was caught in the mod queue so
>> I've since voted on the previous link etc but it sounds like others are in
>> the same frame of mind.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> > On 19 November 2018 at 01:04 Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I can answer most of this.  Whilst I was more active with the group I
>> spent 2 years tracking down where the old website was hosted.  As the
>> domain renewals approached there was a meeting were we agreed that we would
>> transfer the hosting to Gladserv. Paul and I spend a couple of weeks
>> getting a basic site up and running and then asked for volunteers to help.
>> A few people asked for logins and these were given – Tai should still have
>> a login – beyond a few edits I don’t think any of the people did much
>> (apart from Mark C, but I’ll come to him later).  As we were doing the
>> transfer we noticed that the mail archive on the old site wasn’t updating.
>> This was because the University had transferred their mailing list system
>> from majordomo to sympa and the new list archives were only accessible to
>> people with a University login.
>> >
>> > There was a discussion about this at a meeting and  decision was made
>> to transfer the list to the lug.org.uk mailman servers.  Once the new
>> list was created I liaised with Ian who had been looked after the list
>> whilst he worked at the University to get a list of the subscriber emails.
>> I emailed the list to let everyone know that I was about to transfer
>> addresses and got the list transferred over a weekend.  Once that was done
>> I asked for volunteers to take over running the list and a couple of people
>> get in touch and were given the login details.  However, over the next six
>> months or so I didn’t notice them doing anything as I was the one who had
>> to keep going in an passing messages that were caught for moderation.
>> >
>> > At this point we looked at how we were going to integrate the mailman
>> archive.  And I think it was about here that Mark C got involved.  Mark
>> spent a lot of time looking a the script on the old server to see how the
>> archive was created.  He also went through the sympa archive and manually
>> transferred each individual message into the same html format as the
>> existing archive.  But this is where we hit another problem.  Mailman
>> doesn’t seem to munge email addresses properly and we started to get
>> replies where email addresses were spoofed, so we flipped the settings but
>> this means that we can’t reply to individuals from the list unless they
>> give their email.
>> >
>> > Whilst this was all going on, behind the scenes Paul’s mother was
>> seriously ill, so he was stepping back his involvement, and when she died
>> we both had to take a break.  On the return from dealing with the family I
>> wanted to return to just my original role of meeting organiser,  however
>> within a couple of weeks it was clear that everything was being passed to
>> me to deal with so I stepped away from Edlug almost completely – I was sick
>> of being used and at the same time having people bitching about things not
>> being done this way or that.
>> >
>> > The domains are managed through Paul’s Hexonet account. We had a whip
>> around in the pub to get the money for this and from memory I think we
>> renewed for 10 years, so there is a while until that needs looking at.  The
>> hosting is donated to us from Gladserv and whilst it is currently
>> piggy-backing on their admin servers, we now have the option of setting up
>> a VM.  Paul was looking after the maintenance of the CMS but his work and
>> other commitments have taken over and he doesn’t have time anymore.  Again
>> we asked for someone to take this over, got a volunteer but nothing seems
>> to have been done.
>> >
>> > The drupal site is currently quite basic, but the template we chose has
>> inbuilt modules to support members blogs, a forum, and a number of other
>> things that weren’t activated.  As none of the people who volunteered to
>> help seem to be actually doing anything, I don’t know that any maintenance
>> has been done for a while.
>> >
>> > I’m hoping that with this current thread I can finally pass this off.
>> >
>> > (btw I haven’t named names so as not to publicly shame the people who
>> should have been following up on their promised to help).
>> >
>> > Jan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> >
>> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group
>> > Sent: 18 November 2018 22:32
>> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
>> > Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>> >
>> > Maybe we can start a new thread specific to the website and take the
>> burden off any members, especially if they’re pushed for time. I’m willing
>> to help.
>> >
>> > It’s maybe worthwhile also stating what we actually want from the site,
>> it may be possible to bin it off and forward to social media account(s)
>> with the appropriate info.
>> >
>> > I’m not suggesting this is the solution, merely maybe we can all throw
>> ideas in a hat once the requirements are collated. I don’t know who’s stuck
>> with what at the moment.
>> >
>> > Hosting: Who’s paying for this and who administers it?
>> > DNS: Who’s paying for this and who administers it?
>> >
>> > Drupal CMS: who’s updating it? Do we have separate editors updating the
>> blog? Do we even want a blog?
>> >
>> > Is there anything the site’s used for beyond a calendar and a link to
>> the mailing list signup (
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/edlug)?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 14 Nov 2018, at 15:37, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
>> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > And this is what I’ve been facing from the group.  Nobody what’s to
>> take responsibility.
>> >
>> > Jan
>> >
>> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> >
>> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group
>> > Sent: 14 November 2018 15:32
>> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
>> > Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>> >
>> > Hi Jan,
>> >
>> > That sounds like a bit more responsibility than I was going for - I'm
>> totally new here, so I don't really want to be running the website at this
>> point. I was just hoping someone could make me a Drupal username so that I
>> can update the front page.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> > Thomas
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Edinburgh Linux Users Group wrote:
>> > Hi Thomas
>> >
>> > I’m happy to meet up with you to pass all the details on to you
>> (obviously I’m not going to post passwords in an unsecured forum).  Paul
>> was doing the tech side on the server so he’ll probably need to be there to
>> let you know what he’s done on that side.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Jan
>> >
>> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> >
>> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group
>> > Sent: 14 November 2018 09:57
>> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
>> > Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>> >
>> > Hi Jan,
>> >
>> > There was some talk at the meeting about pointing the URL to a discord
>> forum, but I'm not sure if it was a final decision or when that would be
>> ready.
>> >
>> > In the meantime, if it's OK with everyone, I'd be happy to have a login
>> to the current site, and I can try to update the front page with details of
>> upcoming meetings.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Thomas
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Edinburgh Linux Users Group wrote:
>> > Who is taking over the website?
>> >
>> > No one has ever been in touch with me about taking over anything to do
>> with the domain, etc.
>> >
>> > I note there was discussion about making the site more interactive
>> however there have been no requests for member logins and the drupal
>> template we picked had the option for drupal.
>> >
>> > We still have hosting so if there is someone who is taking it over
>> please get in touch (rathgild at gmail dot com) so I can pass on the
>> details.
>> >
>> > Jan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
>> > Date: 07/11/2018 12:37 pm (GMT+00:00)
>> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
>> > Subject: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
>> >
>> > Hi EdLUG
>> >
>> > Thanks to everyone who attended the additional meetup yesterday. Though
>> it was at a different venue the turnout was good and we had an informative
>> discussion.
>> >
>> > Though December is traditionally when the Christmas meal is held, it
>> was decided that we will meetup for drinks instead. Thus, the next EdLUG
>> meetup will take place on Thursday 6th December at 7.30pm. However, the
>> venue will change to the Alexander Graham Bell for this meetup. Future
>> meetup venues will be confirmed in due course.
>> >
>> > In terms of plans for 2019, EdLUG will continue to meet on a monthly
>> basis. However, we felt that a transition period may be needed as we
>> continue to search for a new venue. As such, one possibility is to
>> alternate the nature of the meetups. I am looking into perhaps securing a
>> room at the Edinburgh University central campus. However, this room may
>> only be available every two months. As such we could alternate EdLUG
>> meetups by having a talk one month and an informal meetup the following
>> month, etc.
>> >
>> > Other topics discussed included widening the scope of EdLUG to include
>> all open source software and technology. This would allow us to use Linux
>> as the basis for discussion, but not be limited to solely to this topic.
>> Should this occur, a name change for the meetup would need to be
>> considered. Also, changing the format of the website to simplify its
>> operation was mentioned. Kris suggested using Discord which would allow for
>> more people to participate online.
>> >
>> > Feedback is welcome from everyone, please feel free to reply to this
>> message with any thoughts or suggestions.
>> >
>> > Hopefully see you all in December :)
>> >
>> > Best Wishes
>> >
>> > Shehraz
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