[EdLUG] Meeting Roundup

Mon Nov 19 11:14:28 UTC 2018

Thanks Jan for the overview. I agree it is probably high time to get you
off this hook. Rest assured your efforts have very much been valued !

Are you happy to attend/wait for the December meetup, or would you like to
set up a separate meeting ?

I don't have telegram, and not really wanting to add yet another messaging
system to a growing list of them...

I've had preference in the past for off-listing for site control stuff, but
maybe that's in part where I've been going wrong? Since I believe this is a
call to receive handover, can we keep the meeting plans open for the time
being?

@all So far, the mailing poll suggests moving to a hosted service ; if that
trend remains, it is what we'll discuss moving towards come meeting time.
https://doodle.com/poll/x34t7kyxbst93sw2

On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 10:05, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:

> Thanks for the info, I think my message was caught in the mod queue so
> I've since voted on the previous link etc but it sounds like others are in
> the same frame of mind.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>
> > On 19 November 2018 at 01:04 Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can answer most of this.  Whilst I was more active with the group I
> spent 2 years tracking down where the old website was hosted.  As the
> domain renewals approached there was a meeting were we agreed that we would
> transfer the hosting to Gladserv. Paul and I spend a couple of weeks
> getting a basic site up and running and then asked for volunteers to help.
> A few people asked for logins and these were given – Tai should still have
> a login – beyond a few edits I don’t think any of the people did much
> (apart from Mark C, but I’ll come to him later).  As we were doing the
> transfer we noticed that the mail archive on the old site wasn’t updating.
> This was because the University had transferred their mailing list system
> from majordomo to sympa and the new list archives were only accessible to
> people with a University login.
> >
> > There was a discussion about this at a meeting and  decision was made to
> transfer the list to the lug.org.uk mailman servers.  Once the new list
> was created I liaised with Ian who had been looked after the list whilst he
> worked at the University to get a list of the subscriber emails.  I emailed
> the list to let everyone know that I was about to transfer addresses and
> got the list transferred over a weekend.  Once that was done I asked for
> volunteers to take over running the list and a couple of people get in
> touch and were given the login details.  However, over the next six months
> or so I didn’t notice them doing anything as I was the one who had to keep
> going in an passing messages that were caught for moderation.
> >
> > At this point we looked at how we were going to integrate the mailman
> archive.  And I think it was about here that Mark C got involved.  Mark
> spent a lot of time looking a the script on the old server to see how the
> archive was created.  He also went through the sympa archive and manually
> transferred each individual message into the same html format as the
> existing archive.  But this is where we hit another problem.  Mailman
> doesn’t seem to munge email addresses properly and we started to get
> replies where email addresses were spoofed, so we flipped the settings but
> this means that we can’t reply to individuals from the list unless they
> give their email.
> >
> > Whilst this was all going on, behind the scenes Paul’s mother was
> seriously ill, so he was stepping back his involvement, and when she died
> we both had to take a break.  On the return from dealing with the family I
> wanted to return to just my original role of meeting organiser,  however
> within a couple of weeks it was clear that everything was being passed to
> me to deal with so I stepped away from Edlug almost completely – I was sick
> of being used and at the same time having people bitching about things not
> being done this way or that.
> >
> > The domains are managed through Paul’s Hexonet account. We had a whip
> around in the pub to get the money for this and from memory I think we
> renewed for 10 years, so there is a while until that needs looking at.  The
> hosting is donated to us from Gladserv and whilst it is currently
> piggy-backing on their admin servers, we now have the option of setting up
> a VM.  Paul was looking after the maintenance of the CMS but his work and
> other commitments have taken over and he doesn’t have time anymore.  Again
> we asked for someone to take this over, got a volunteer but nothing seems
> to have been done.
> >
> > The drupal site is currently quite basic, but the template we chose has
> inbuilt modules to support members blogs, a forum, and a number of other
> things that weren’t activated.  As none of the people who volunteered to
> help seem to be actually doing anything, I don’t know that any maintenance
> has been done for a while.
> >
> > I’m hoping that with this current thread I can finally pass this off.
> >
> > (btw I haven’t named names so as not to publicly shame the people who
> should have been following up on their promised to help).
> >
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group
> > Sent: 18 November 2018 22:32
> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
> >
> > Maybe we can start a new thread specific to the website and take the
> burden off any members, especially if they’re pushed for time. I’m willing
> to help.
> >
> > It’s maybe worthwhile also stating what we actually want from the site,
> it may be possible to bin it off and forward to social media account(s)
> with the appropriate info.
> >
> > I’m not suggesting this is the solution, merely maybe we can all throw
> ideas in a hat once the requirements are collated. I don’t know who’s stuck
> with what at the moment.
> >
> > Hosting: Who’s paying for this and who administers it?
> > DNS: Who’s paying for this and who administers it?
> >
> > Drupal CMS: who’s updating it? Do we have separate editors updating the
> blog? Do we even want a blog?
> >
> > Is there anything the site’s used for beyond a calendar and a link to
> the mailing list signup (https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/edlug
> )?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 Nov 2018, at 15:37, Edinburgh Linux Users Group <
> edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > And this is what I’ve been facing from the group.  Nobody what’s to take
> responsibility.
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group
> > Sent: 14 November 2018 15:32
> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
> >
> > Hi Jan,
> >
> > That sounds like a bit more responsibility than I was going for - I'm
> totally new here, so I don't really want to be running the website at this
> point. I was just hoping someone could make me a Drupal username so that I
> can update the front page.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Edinburgh Linux Users Group wrote:
> > Hi Thomas
> >
> > I’m happy to meet up with you to pass all the details on to you
> (obviously I’m not going to post passwords in an unsecured forum).  Paul
> was doing the tech side on the server so he’ll probably need to be there to
> let you know what he’s done on that side.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group
> > Sent: 14 November 2018 09:57
> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
> >
> > Hi Jan,
> >
> > There was some talk at the meeting about pointing the URL to a discord
> forum, but I'm not sure if it was a final decision or when that would be
> ready.
> >
> > In the meantime, if it's OK with everyone, I'd be happy to have a login
> to the current site, and I can try to update the front page with details of
> upcoming meetings.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Edinburgh Linux Users Group wrote:
> > Who is taking over the website?
> >
> > No one has ever been in touch with me about taking over anything to do
> with the domain, etc.
> >
> > I note there was discussion about making the site more interactive
> however there have been no requests for member logins and the drupal
> template we picked had the option for drupal.
> >
> > We still have hosting so if there is someone who is taking it over
> please get in touch (rathgild at gmail dot com) so I can pass on the
> details.
> >
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Edinburgh Linux Users Group <edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk>
> > Date: 07/11/2018 12:37 pm (GMT+00:00)
> > To: edlug at lists.edlug.org.uk
> > Subject: [EdLUG] Meeting Roundup
> >
> > Hi EdLUG
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who attended the additional meetup yesterday. Though
> it was at a different venue the turnout was good and we had an informative
> discussion.
> >
> > Though December is traditionally when the Christmas meal is held, it was
> decided that we will meetup for drinks instead. Thus, the next EdLUG meetup
> will take place on Thursday 6th December at 7.30pm. However, the venue will
> change to the Alexander Graham Bell for this meetup. Future meetup venues
> will be confirmed in due course.
> >
> > In terms of plans for 2019, EdLUG will continue to meet on a monthly
> basis. However, we felt that a transition period may be needed as we
> continue to search for a new venue. As such, one possibility is to
> alternate the nature of the meetups. I am looking into perhaps securing a
> room at the Edinburgh University central campus. However, this room may
> only be available every two months. As such we could alternate EdLUG
> meetups by having a talk one month and an informal meetup the following
> month, etc.
> >
> > Other topics discussed included widening the scope of EdLUG to include
> all open source software and technology. This would allow us to use Linux
> as the basis for discussion, but not be limited to solely to this topic.
> Should this occur, a name change for the meetup would need to be
> considered. Also, changing the format of the website to simplify its
> operation was mentioned. Kris suggested using Discord which would allow for
> more people to participate online.
> >
> > Feedback is welcome from everyone, please feel free to reply to this
> message with any thoughts or suggestions.
> >
> > Hopefully see you all in December :)
> >
> > Best Wishes
> >
> > Shehraz
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