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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/09/2022 19:13, Roy wrote:<br>
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<p>Alistair,</p>
<p>Looking at dmesg first</p>
<pre>[ 2.145084] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20201103 for 0000:00:02.0 on minor 0</pre>
<p>That's the kernel creating /dev/dri/card0 and</p>
<pre>[ 2.277515] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 240x67
[ 2.306335] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] fb0: i915drmfb frame buffer device.
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<p>The kernel is good.</p>
<p>Now your Xorg.0.log. The error about /dev/dri/card0 is gone and
the modesetdriver is in use.</p>
<p>That's correct too.</p>
<p>At the end the log shows</p>
<pre>[ 37.620] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0 110.92 1920 1968 2000 2080 1080 1083 1088 1111 +hsync -vsync (53.3 kHz e)
[ 80.054] (**) Option "fd" "27"
[ 80.054] (II) event2 - Power Button: device removed</pre>
<p>So Xorg ran for about 43 seconds, then shut down. There are no
errors there either.</p>
<p>The file name <br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.logfile</pre>
<p>is significant.</p>
<p>When the login screen is show, Xorg runs as root and the log is
in /var/log.</p>
<p>The file you posted is in your /home directory. As Xorg is
running as you, you must have logged in already.</p>
<p>That points to kde-plasma having problems because the kernel
and Xorg are good.</p>
<p>The potential problems fall into two sorts. The software
install and the per user setup, the per user setup is the
easiest to test.</p>
<p>Add a new user to your system, just with the defaults that your
system provides.</p>
<p>Using the new user, does everything appear to work?<br>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Roy Bamford<br>
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<p>Alistair,</p>
<p>"So Xorg ran for about 43 seconds, then shut down." is not
correct.</p>
<pre>[ 80.062] (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch
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<p>You switched to a text console leaving Xorg running. The
conclusion is not changed. <br>
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<p>Test with a new user.</p>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Roy Bamford.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/09/2022 12:49, Alistair wrote:<br>
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I thought that if I am getting a screenlock / login screen, then the X window system must be starting, and thus creating a logfile...
I searched and found it at:
~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.logfile
The timestamp is: Sept 27 12:14
Two new files have been uploaded to the dpaste site:-
>From today's login, t480-dmesg-2022-09-27:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dpaste.com/77VLC9YMS" moz-do-not-send="true">https://dpaste.com/77VLC9YMS</a>
>From today's login, t480-Xorg.0.log-2022-09-27
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dpaste.com/8HSS7RK5S" moz-do-not-send="true">https://dpaste.com/8HSS7RK5S</a>
Hope these help.
Regards,
Alistair
On Sunday, 25 September 2022 21:37:13 BST Roy wrote:
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None of the files in /dev, /sys and /proc are real files. They are the
kernel exposing some of its internal data structures as files.
Here I have
$ ls -l /dev/dri/ total 0 crw-r----- 1 root video 226, 0 Sep 28 2021
card0 crw-rw---- 1 root video 226, 64 Sep 12 2021 controlD64
On card0, the 226 is the kernel major device number, the 0 is the minor
device number. There are no file sizes there.
You really don't want to know about the timestamps but other readers may
be curious. I run this system with a static /dev. /dev entries are made
by hand with mknod and the file timestamp is the create time. They do
not indicate my uptime.
Anyway, /dev/dri/card0 is the way that Xorg communicates with the kernel
part of the video driver.
If its present with the right owner/group/permissions you should be good.
$ mount | grep devtmpfs dev on /dev type devtmpfs (...
Run the above command. The sample output shows that a dynamically
managed /dev generated by the kernel is in use. udev gets a signal when
devices are added and removed, the kernel updates /dev and udev changes
permissions and adds/removes symlinks.
If its all automatic like that, I don't understand how you get
> [ 272.782] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
That means that /dev/dri/card0 is missing. Incorrect permissions
generate a Permission Denied error.
If the file is missing, that's a kernel problem. If its there, Xorg
should see it.
That contradiction makes me ask if the dmesg and Xorg.0.log you shared
are a self consistent set. Did they come from the same boot of the system?
Gentoo does not have x11-apps but
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://packages.debian.org/stretch/x11-apps" moz-do-not-send="true">https://packages.debian.org/stretch/x11-apps</a> shows it includes
- oclock and xclock, graphical clocks;
Providing you have twm and xterm, default startx will start.
Regards,
Roy Bamford
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">This (zero size) file does exist, owner: root; group: video.
I tried the startplasma-x11 command:
$ startplasma-x11
$DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the x server
Searching on that error took me to the arch forum and wiki
systemctl status sddm.service
sddm service
loaded: masked (Reason: unit sddm.service is masked.)
Active: inactive (dead)
(On a working system I get:
●sddm.service - Simple Desktop Display Manager Loaded: loaded
(/lib/systemd/system/sddm.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
Active: active (running)since Sun 2022-09-25 08:55:39 BST...)
I followed the trail of text files from:
systemctl get-target
graphical.target
All contained similar to a working system, but did not lead me
anywhere useful.
Trying:
systemctl enable sddm.service
(input password three separate times)
...
...
...
Each get "===AUTHENTICATION COMPLETE==="
The final line stated:
Failed to enable unit: unit file /etc/systemd/system/sddm.service is
masked.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">to test with startx, you need to install twm, xterm
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">and xclock. Be warned that tmw only uses the primary
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Checking for these three and installing as required, xclock "has no
installation candidate" and suggested x11-apps instead.
This has made no difference.
Regards,
Alistair
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">[ 2.233768] fbcon: i915drmfb (fb0) is primary device
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Tells that kernel support for your Intel GPU in the kernel is correct
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">That's good as the Xorg driver will use it.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Now your Xorg.0.log-2022-09-22
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Xorg is doing its automatic thing, that works for a single display setup
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">[ 272.780] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 0
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">[ 272.780] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 1
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Its worked out that there are three possible drivers for your GPU.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">They all loaded.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">[ 272.782] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">That's a bad thing. That /dev file is created by the kernel. The kernel
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">part of the driver started OK. Is that file really missing?
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Its required for hardware video acceleration.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Eventually Xorg gets going on the fbdev driver.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">[ 272.782] (II) FBDEV(0): Creating default Display subsection in
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">"Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">[ 272.782] (==) FBDEV(0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">[ 401.971] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">which suggests that Xorg started, found nothing to do then exited.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">That's expected when you run startx as there is no ~.xinitrc file
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">to tell Xorg what to do, so it tries to start three xterms and an
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">analogue clock all wrapped up in twm. Quite likely, none of those
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">In short Xorg, worked but somewhat suboptimally.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Rather than testing with startx, try startplasma-x11
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I use MATE. I suspect that plasma will not start properly
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The file is created by the kernels DEVTMPFS option.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">udev may create symlinks and fiddle with permissions but
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">your file appears to be missing completely.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Check that as a next step. If its missing, try another
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On the T480 the Xorg.0.log file is only 2/3 the size of the
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">8086:5917 GPU.
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update again but it’s tough to say without access. You’re able to
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snapshots, you can have it automatically snapshot whenever you do a
package manager command, if you destroy it, you can boot to the old
snapshot. I recently did this while playing around with new wayland
settings, destroyed it, couldn’t boot, went back to the last snapshot
(taken automatically when I updated a wayland package) and I was back
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temporary user account if you need to. If that works, then it’s not
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