<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Alastair</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the suggestion !</div><div><br></div><div>I worry that there are public preconceptions associated with the Masons which, even if we had the opportunity to clarify our own positions, would likely not project an ideology of inclusiveness for the group (I'm thinking instances where we seek to advertise our meetup, through passive means like meetup sites and mailing lists - we'd be passed over very quickly); so whilst their premises do look appealing, I'd have to hesitate at the suggestion.<br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div><div>Sorry to be a downer, but I don't think it would work out...</div><div><br></div><div>Tai</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>===<br>Tai Kedzierski<br></div><div>Linux Operations and Deployments Engineer<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.redhat.com/rhtapps/services/verify?certId=170-060-834" target="_blank">RHCSA # 170-060-834</a><br></div><br><div><br></div><br><div dir="ltr"><span></span><font size="1"><br>I use <a href="https://www.libreoffice.org/" target="_blank">LibreOffice</a> , a free, Freedom-respecting replacement for MS Office<br><br><i>Open Source Free Software is a matter of liberty, not price.</i><br>
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<div>Just to add to the Venue search, I may have another
suggestion.</div>
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<div>I was out dancing the other night and it was at the
‘Edinburgh Masonic Club’ 3 Shrubhill Walk, Leith EH7 4RB. It is
in the new build of flats and ground floor shops just before the
Sainsbury ‘Metro’ place, there is a gym on the corner and its
literally round the corner. It has 3 bars that I saw and I
spoke to the manager briefly and he gave me a quick tour! </div>
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<div>They opened on the 18th December last year and have
a few external groups like Weight Watchers as well as the
various Masonic Lodges, but there are several nights free and
they have several small and large meeting rooms. They also have
a Conference hall that they would like to start bookings for, I
didn’t see any obvious Conference facitities - screen,
projectors, etc. But I immediately thought of our group and also
I know there are other people on this list that may be looking
for possible ‘Conference Venues’ and rooms.</div>
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<div>For transparencies sake I have no affiliation to the
Masons, I went to dance Ceroc, and it was a new venue for them,
but when I saw the place and what was possible I thought of us.
The manger showed my one room that had table and chairs and
would probably seat approximately up to 20/25 people and he said
the ‘charge' for that room was £20. I know that would entail
people ‘contributing’ but!!?? it would give us a private venue
and there bars downstairs that we could use afterwards? Because
its a 'new build’ it’s got accessible lifts, toilets etc.</div>
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<div>The address is as above, and the managers name is
Bill Wright, telephone number is 07837 427 862 I said that you
may be in touch, if not it doesn’t matter as I’ll be there next
week on the Thursday evening for Ceroc!</div>
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<div>Cheers for now, and hopefully I’ve not just confused
matters!</div>
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<div>In this mail:</div>
<div>- Venue stake out conclusion<br>
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<div>- Date poll progress</div>
<div>- Next meetup date and location<br>
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<div>I was able to join Shehraz and Ross in
looking into a couple of places yesterday evening.</div>
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<div>We checked out the BrewDog - it has
potential, but the main area is quite loud and the bar
is pricey. There is a TV in a back area that can be
booked, and the speakers were on much lower there than
in the main bar, so could still be suitable.<br>
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<div>On Ross's recommendation, we looked in at
a place called the Fiddling Fox, which is a 3min walk
from Haymarket station and associated bus routes. It's
spacious and could comfortably host us, has screens
that could be plugged into as well; it was rather
quiet when we went. I'd reckon it's more accessible
than the Royal Dick, in terms of number of transport
links that stop nearby. We had a word with the manager
and we could have it for free on a monthly basis. It's
not as fancy/modern as the Royal Dick in terms of
interious design, but it's practical and relatively
easy to get to.<br>
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<div>I still have not been able to think of any
non-pub locations that are also affordable options and
that are open in the evening, and at this point, I
don't particularly fancy running around too much more.</div>
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<div>The credible options in front of us are
thus :</div>
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<div>* The Royal Dick, Summerhall, on the East
edge of the Meadows, 5min walk from our current
meeting place ; Summerhall is a centre for independent
creatives, and association with it would be positive
in terms of outreach we'll eventually want to be doing
; wheel chair accessible, we'd have to bring our own
screen and projector ; bar with food and hot drinks
available<br>
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<div>* The Fiddling Fox, by Haymarket ; bright
and spacious bar, with a couple spaces where we could
easily present, a smaller ground floor one (wheelchair
accessible), and a larger basement area, both with TV
screens ; bar with food, probably hot drinks (forgot
to check on that)</div>
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<div>*The Fox feels like it will be the more
appropriate choice*, given its spaciousness and
proximity to a major transport hub.</div>
<div>Any objections, please let me know. Anyone
in favour, I'd also love to know too :-)<br>
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<div>Current
consensus
seems to be,
"We don't mind
keeping
Thursday, but
we prefer
Monday or
Tuesday"</div>
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this changes
by Sunday
evening, I'm
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change the
meetup night
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<div>The
next meetup
will be the
7th of
February at
the
Southsider.
There will be
no talk, it
will be a
social only,
as we don't
have use of
the screen
anymore.<br>
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<div>This
should be the
LAST meetup at
the Southsider
- and serve as
a jovial
farewell to
this pub which
has been
EdLUG's base
for many years
- after which,
we will move
on to the new
location, and
the new date
pattern. I
will confirm
these at/after
the February
meetup, just
so as not to
put
potentially
confusing info
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<div>Cheers</div>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif">I just wanted to start by thanking
Tai for all the work he has put into arranging
the meetups and looking for alternative
venues. Your work has been and is very much
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif">I voted in the poll but unfortunately
messed up my selection – I would like to put
forward Monday and Tuesday as alternative
venues as well. I am free tomorrow night
(Thursday) to visit the BrewDog Garage, if
anyone would like to join me? It’s a little
late but it would be good to check out the
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif">Regarding Akva, if this is the same
place I am thinking of in Fountainbridge I
believe I have been there before. I visited
the venue a few times whilst volunteering for
a computer tutoring club. We had the space
upstairs for a few hours and could order
drinks as needed. It was during the day, but
the area is spacious and the atmosphere
relatively peaceful. This is definitely a
venue which may have potential if The Royal
Dick at Summerhall turns out to be unsuitable.
The Royal Dick was a good venue when we
visited last week, it had a good vibe and it’s
located reasonably centrally.</span></p>
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<div>Thanks for the extra
suggestions, and reviews<br>
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<div>* BrewDog Garage - if anyone
foot-commutes via that way or will be
there this week, could you pop in and have
a look and mail in your discoveries
please? I might not be able to get to it
before the week-end otherwise</div>
<div>* Akva - same thing.</div>
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<div>The two are close by so if
nobody does either of these by this
week-end I'll see if I can give it a go</div>
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<div>* Waitrose in Comely Bank -
I'd fear that is a bit out of the way. I
know someone out that way and the buses
aren't the most frequent...</div>
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<div>Shehraz and I went to The
Royal Dick at Summerhall last Thursday,
it's accessible (side entrance) and has a
private room. I'm still waiting on the
price from them, which they've tentatively
indicated as being a "£50 deposit for food
bookings of 10+ people," the person on the
phone did not have the lee way to answer
to the full details of what I was asking
so I've directed them to a mail I sent
last week for extra info. I'm hoping that
if we became a confirmed monthly thing,
they might cut us a nice deal, if prices
are involved at all<br>
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<div>As far as the room goes, in
principle it should work ; the only caveat
is that the room has a large dining table
in it. Ideal for placing a projector and
putting computers on, and everybody's
round the same table; though it does mean
the experience could feel like a cabinet
meeting...</div>
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<div>Finally, the day. I take on
board Thomas's remark about other relevant
meetup on the same day-pattern ; Kris also
attends an alternative meetup (ethical
hacking?) that happens on the same
evening. This is a quick poll to figure
out what might suit best as alternatives -
if you vote for "something else", please
make a suggestion in the comments of the
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<div>I certainly wouldn't
restrict the possible venues to pubs; I
don't think many pubs will have good
spaces for talks, and as Mark mentioned,
it can feel awkward going to a pub if
you don't want to drink. Moving on to a
pub afterwards, or mixing pub-based
social meetups with talk meetups seem
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<div>I was at a (very small)
meetup in Akva recently - they had
reserved a table in a quiet-ish corner,
which I imagine didn't cost anything. It
was comfortable, and the atmosphere made
it easier to order a tea or coffee if
you didn't want alcohol. A nice place
for a social meeting, but the area we
were in wouldn't work for a
presentation. I haven't seen the
upstairs space.<br>
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<div>Waitrose in Comely Bank has
a 'community room' which is free for
'charity events or regular community get
togethers'. I don't know if there's any
projector or screen, though, and it
might be a bit out of the way (20-30
minutes walk from the city centre).<br>
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<div>The first Thursday of the
month is the same schedule as PyData
Edinburgh, which I also often want to go
to, so I'd personally prefer a different
day. But looking at
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https://opentechcalendar.co.uk/area/62-edinburgh/calendar</a>? most
weekdays already seem to have some kind
of event, so it's probably not feasible
to avoid conflicts.<br>
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<div>I checked the asking
price to get the Codebase room. For
the evening, it's approximately £230
incl AV suite. £215 without.
Needless to say, this is not a
viable option.<br>
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<div>I intend to meet up with
Shehraz this evening, the two places
I wanted to have a look into are
Spoon, the cafe on Nicolson street
which has a large space and might be
amenable to a bunch of people
talking and presenting on a quieter
night ; and the Royal Dick at
Summerhall which has a few rooms,
any one of which we could
potentially try to reserve for an
hour and a half... enquiry to be
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<div>@Mark thanks for the
vote of support and suggestions ;
from my last visit to Hacklab, their
space is near entirely devoted to
projects in various stages so I
doubt having more than 3-4 people in
a room there would work ! I presume
TechCube might look like similar
prices as to Codebase ...?<br>
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<div>The receptionist at
Codebase suggested looking into Aqva
by Fountainbridge, apparently they
have an upstairs space that could be
suitable and there's already a
meetup or two that convene there she
believed.<br>
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<div>Happy new 'ears !<br>
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<div>Last week's meetup
was... not as comfortable as I'd
hoped, owing to it being a
football night, AND the quiz was
not put off in the slightest.<br>
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<div>It remains that we
cannot hope to continue to
convene there and enjoy the
benefits we used to; the staff
are quite ready to make it known
that we are secondary and even
tertiary to their preferred
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<div>The search for an
alternative thus continues.<br>
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<div>It was suggested
that we continue to search for a
new venue ourselves in person
throughout the Thursdays of this
month, rather than cause the
monthly meetup to hop around
month-to month.<br>
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<div>This week Shehraz
and I will be meeting to try and
find another place with the
right atmosphere on a Thursday
evening which also would have
accessibility options and
presentation space.<br>
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<div>We're also still
following up on Edinburgh Uni /
Teviot, and Codebase as options.<br>
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<div>+++ Type of venue<br>
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<div>While brainstorming
last week we also thought about
reading up on alternatives such
as libraries (if any stay open
to run evening
events/programmes) and local
community centres.<br>
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<div>This brings a
question back - do we really
need the venue to be a pub? A
few raised hands when we
discussed this in person last
year indicated that there was a
preference for this, but I'd
like to suggest we reconsider
that with regards to aligning
our activities with talks... we
can always move on to a nearby
pub afterwards.<br>
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<div>From Codebase
notably, there's the Blue Blazer
and The Chanter close by.<br>
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<div>+++ Day of meetup<br>
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<div>Finally, we might
benefit from re-considering
what evenings we want to
convene altogether.<br>
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<div>We tried to move
the evening at the Southsider
but it turned out they had
events on every evening which
put a stop to that. A change
in venue might also be well
served by a change of evening.
First/Second/Third/Fourth
Mon/Wed/Tues/Thu of the month?<br>
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<div>I'll have to
gather all these thoughts into
polls, but there's the lay of
the land on this front.<br>
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<div>We still have Ross
scheduled to talk in March, so
let's hope we'll have found
our new home by then..!<br>
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